Dirty play: copyright used as patent

[Sigurd Nes]

I think the following is important (although is tells how sad Dave really is) -
because it shed some light on Dave's reluctance to discuss the version issue on
the GPL.

Dave is "asking" for money.

Also notice his double standard as he makes every contributor assign their work
over to FSF - except his own.

Look at the code recently contributed to phpgroupware by mr Dave Hall - yep -
that's right - it's Not FSF holding the Copyright - then it would be less likely
to be used as a source of income.

I must admit I am really disappointed in Dave - which I find is trying to
restrict our freedom by using some kind of a semi-patent-approach and even
trying to take control over a project where he had the role of a sub-contractor.

We still want to contribute to phpgroupware - but Dave has to shape up as he is
not making this any easier.

Anyway - the Resight project staying on GPLv2 is only temporary after all - but
we would like the back ported FelaMiMail as there is no alternative.

Regards

Sigurd

Now that my contract had ended (as of 5pm, yesterday AEST), any
relicensing of my work would not only require my consent, it would incur
additional costs. If ReSight AS wishes to make such a request please
Dave Hall Consulting
PO Box XXX
Newstead YYY XXXX
AUSTRALIA

[Chris Weiss]

Post by Sigurd Nes
I think the following is important (although is tells how sad Dave really
is) - because it shed some light on Dave's reluctance to discuss the version
issue on the GPL.
Dave is "asking" for money.
Also notice his double standard as he makes every contributor assign their
work over to FSF - except his own.
Look at the code recently contributed to phpgroupware by mr Dave Hall - yep
- that's right - it's Not FSF holding the Copyright - then it would be less
likely to be used as a source of income.
I must admit I am really disappointed in Dave - which I find is trying to
restrict our freedom by using some kind of a semi-patent-approach and even
trying to take control over a project where he had the role of a sub-contractor.
We still want to contribute to phpgroupware - but Dave has to shape up as he
is not making this any easier.
Anyway - the Resight project staying on GPLv2 is only temporary after all -
but we would like the back ported FelaMiMail as there is no alternative.
Regards
Sigurd

Now that my contract had ended (as of 5pm, yesterday AEST), any
relicensing of my work would not only require my consent, it would incur
additional costs. If ReSight AS wishes to make such a request please
Dave Hall Consulting
PO Box XXX
Newstead YYY XXXX
AUSTRALIA

"dirty play" is right. I find it very unprofessional, if not
downright rude, for you to forward that message to the developers
list.

as far as contract work goes, if the contact allows Dave to hold
copyright, then that's ReSights failure as a business entity to
protect their investment. And if Dave holds copyright, then he's the
only one that can change the license and it is work for him to do so
and he'd be right to want to charge for that.

Distributing the new felami with phpgw is still against the GPLv2
because of it's linking to a PHP licensed library. Yes, eGW is
distributed in violation of the GPL, but luckily for the distributors
their locale's laws make this type of violation unenforceable.

[Sigurd Nes]

Post by Chris Weiss
as far as contract work goes, if the contact allows Dave to hold
copyright, then that's ReSights failure as a business entity to
protect their investment. And if Dave holds copyright, then he's the
only one that can change the license and it is work for him to do so
and he'd be right to want to charge for that.

Yeah - better look up for the contract.
He was invited with the best intention of a collaboration with phpgw -
but there was no collaboration - he went strait for a takeover - so once
again: watch that contract.

Regards

Sigurd

[Sigurd Nes]

Post by Chris Weiss
"dirty play" is right. I find it very unprofessional, if not
downright rude, for you to forward that message to the developers
list.

Ok - I can see your point.
I apologize for the quote.

Regards

Sigurd

[Giorgio Pioda]

Hi Sigurd

Just to have a complete information...

What about you and Resight? Do you also apply some kind of copyright / patent for the trunk fixes ? The fact that your fixes are not uploaded is related to the resistance against this semi-patenting approach?

cheers

gfwp aka Giorgio Pioda

.

Sent from the phpGroupWare forums @ forums.phpGroupWare.org

[Sigurd Nes]

Post by Giorgio Pioda
Hi Sigurd
Just to have a complete information...
What about you and Resight? Do you also apply some kind of copyright / patent for the trunk fixes ? The fact that your fixes are not uploaded is related to the resistance against this semi-patenting approach?

The fixes have been offered many times over in a win-win scenario but they are
being blocked.

I think the best solution for everybody would be to have the two repos
synchronized - but that would mean that the system would have less constraints
as I think developers should be free to do their work without imposed
restrictions, and that best practice should be encouraged by advice and examples
rather than by restrictions and intimidations.

The big issue now is the version of the GPL.
What I have been asking for is a delay in transfer to GPLv3 - not a permanent
state - but it seems difficult.

Regards

Sigurd

[Benoit Hamet]

Hi all,

Post by Giorgio Pioda
Hi Sigurd
Just to have a complete information...
What about you and Resight? Do you also apply some kind of copyright / patent for the trunk fixes ? The fact that your fixes are not uploaded is related to the resistance against this semi-patenting approach?

That's a good question. I have an other one : What are you trying to do
? Killing the project (which is, according to some, almost dead :) ?
Trying to make some Kids play (no it's not me it's you ...) ? The only
thing I know, is when I had worked on phpGW for the GET, it was
EXPLICITLY stated, that the (c) owner of my works had to be the FSF
Foundation (not me nor my contractor, nor my employers). If Resight did
not do that in it's contract, then blame your lawyers. In all cases :
- It doesn't seems (I could be wrong) that the contributed code from
Dave to the _project_ is (c) to him, but to the FSF.
- If Dave make some code's in Resight Tree, then it's not a
contribution to the project, since Resight didn't gave us the code back
(AFAIK), So, in That case, I don't care That's it (c)ed to the FSF, to
Dave or to anybody else.


Btw, As stated at the previous Elections of the CT team, they were a
delay of 6 months before new one were organized ... We are approaching
this dead line ... If you want to take over the project, it's time to
contribute to it, not to kill it :).

Regards,

Caeies.

Post by Giorgio Pioda
cheers
gfwp aka Giorgio Pioda

[Sigurd Nes]

Post by Benoit Hamet
Btw, As stated at the previous Elections of the CT team, they were a
delay of 6 months before new one were organized ... We are approaching
this dead line ... If you want to take over the project, it's time to
contribute to it, not to kill it :).

I don't want to take over - and certainly not kill it.

I think I can fix the ACL which (I believe) is currently broken.

The ACL is designed to handle hierarchical inheritance of rights within
locations (sub-modules within the system) in addition to handling of masks for
removing permission for a member of a group - where permissions are inherited
from the group.

As a first step in having a working ACL (I'm currently unable to test it) - it
could be simplified by disabling the inheritance and the mask part of the features.

Maybe we could try to identify the problems (Maât has already started) and make
a list of tasks to choose from - and make a plan for recovering the system?

Regards

Sigurd

[Dave Hall]

Hi all,

I have had enough of Sigurd's trolling on this list. I am top posting
as I can't be bothered refuting another round of baseless claims from
Sigurd. I won't get into discussing the terms of my company's contracts
with third parties - especially on this list.

ReSight have informed me that Sigurd is not employed by them, and has no
authority to make any representations on their behalf, let alone post
details of private discussions on a public mailing list.

Sigurd's vendetta against me is damaging phpGroupWare. I propose that
this be Sigurd's, final warning, if he does not cease with the personal
attacks and trolling, I will ask that the community support actions to
prevent further time wasting and damage to the project.

For the record, phpGroupWare is a GPLv3 project. Sigurd has freely
released his code under the GPLv3. It is time to end this stupid
discussion around licensing. Sigurd's proposed version of felamimail is
undistributable - he was warned that this was likely to be the case
months ago.

phpGroupWare values robust technical debate, but the debate must focus
on the merit of the proposal. Spreading FUD, personal attacks,
distortions, lies, blackmail or constant reopening of discussion are not
conducive to a properly functioning project.

We now return to our regular programming...

Cheers

Dave

Post by Sigurd Nes
I think the following is important (although is tells how sad Dave really is) -
because it shed some light on Dave's reluctance to discuss the version issue on
the GPL.
Dave is "asking" for money.
Also notice his double standard as he makes every contributor assign their work
over to FSF - except his own.
Look at the code recently contributed to phpgroupware by mr Dave Hall - yep -
that's right - it's Not FSF holding the Copyright - then it would be less likely
to be used as a source of income.
I must admit I am really disappointed in Dave - which I find is trying to
restrict our freedom by using some kind of a semi-patent-approach and even
trying to take control over a project where he had the role of a sub-contractor.
We still want to contribute to phpgroupware - but Dave has to shape up as he is
not making this any easier.
Anyway - the Resight project staying on GPLv2 is only temporary after all - but
we would like the back ported FelaMiMail as there is no alternative.
Regards
Sigurd

Now that my contract had ended (as of 5pm, yesterday AEST), any
relicensing of my work would not only require my consent, it would incur
additional costs. If ReSight AS wishes to make such a request please
Dave Hall Consulting
PO Box XXX
Newstead YYY XXXX
AUSTRALIA

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